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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: finleyp</title>
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		<dc:creator>finleyp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Clemens, I hate to say I told you so but it just goes to show that even good ol&#039; boys from Texas can break laws once in a while...and get caught. I&#039;m quite glad to see him fall actually. At least Bonds won&#039;t be&lt;br/&gt;the poster boy for the sanctimonious and inane&lt;br/&gt;&#039;I-can&#039;t-vote-someone-who-took-steroids-into-the-Hall-of-Fame&#039;&lt;br/&gt;arguments. And now the Yankee fans know where they can stick those asterisks. Yours truly,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;       Dr. S.F.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Clemens, I hate to say I told you so but it just goes to show that even good ol&#8217; boys from Texas can break laws once in a while&#8230;and get caught. I&#8217;m quite glad to see him fall actually. At least Bonds won&#8217;t be<br />the poster boy for the sanctimonious and inane<br />&#8216;I-can&#8217;t-vote-someone-who-took-steroids-into-the-Hall-of-Fame&#8217;<br />arguments. And now the Yankee fans know where they can stick those asterisks. Yours truly,</p>
<p>       Dr. S.F.B.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s remarkable the correlation of Clemens&#039; performance and his work with Brian McNamee (a guilty trainer):&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Clemens had a 40-39 record from 1993 through 1996 and was not re-signed by the Boston Red Sox. The next year, he signed with the Toronto Blue Jays and began working out with Mr. McNamee. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mr. Clemens had two of the best years in pitching history in 1997 and 1998, winning the Cy Young Award in both seasons and also led the league in wins, earned run average and strikeouts. He then went on to pitch for the Yankees from 1999 through 2003.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;After Mr. Clemens declined to 14-10 with a 4.60 ERA in 1999, New York hired Mr. McNamee as assistant strength coach. During one stretch after that, Mr. Clemens won 27 games against three losses for the Yankees.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-- &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/sports/baseball/14mitchell.html?ex=1355288400&amp;en=3c7ce4504fa2c126&amp;ei=5124&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;br/&gt;New York Times article&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you really think that Clemens will get a pass because he&#039;s white and media-friendly? That would be sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s remarkable the correlation of Clemens&#8217; performance and his work with Brian McNamee (a guilty trainer):<br /><i><br />Mr. Clemens had a 40-39 record from 1993 through 1996 and was not re-signed by the Boston Red Sox. The next year, he signed with the Toronto Blue Jays and began working out with Mr. McNamee. </p>
<p>Mr. Clemens had two of the best years in pitching history in 1997 and 1998, winning the Cy Young Award in both seasons and also led the league in wins, earned run average and strikeouts. He then went on to pitch for the Yankees from 1999 through 2003.</p>
<p>After Mr. Clemens declined to 14-10 with a 4.60 ERA in 1999, New York hired Mr. McNamee as assistant strength coach. During one stretch after that, Mr. Clemens won 27 games against three losses for the Yankees.<br /></i><br />&#8211; <a HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/sports/baseball/14mitchell.html?ex=1355288400&#038;en=3c7ce4504fa2c126&#038;ei=5124&#038;partner=permalink&#038;exprod=permalink" REL="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/sports/baseball/14mitchell.html?ex=1355288400_038_en=3c7ce4504fa2c126_038_ei=5124_038_partner=permalink_038_exprod=permalink&amp;referer=');"><br />New York Times article</a></p>
<p>Do you really think that Clemens will get a pass because he&#8217;s white and media-friendly? That would be sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Covey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Covey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been skimming over the report and found out something I never knew.  While steroid use was essentially outlawed by Major League Baseball as early as 1984, the players union and arbiters consistently blocked any application of the ban.  When Selig tried to put it in again in 1994, this time specifically banning the substance, the players union again stopped it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sounds to me like the players union needs some direct investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been skimming over the report and found out something I never knew.  While steroid use was essentially outlawed by Major League Baseball as early as 1984, the players union and arbiters consistently blocked any application of the ban.  When Selig tried to put it in again in 1994, this time specifically banning the substance, the players union again stopped it.</p>
<p>Sounds to me like the players union needs some direct investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Covey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lou Covey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my contentions through all of this is that steroids and HGH don&#039;t help an athlete throw a ball, catch a ball or hit a ball any better.  Improvements in performance from steroids can be directly beneficial in strength sports, like football, but not in coordination sports, like baseball.  The benefit a baseball player gets from these drugs is the ability to avoid and come back from injury faster.  I think the Mitchell study is proving that contention.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Most of the names on the Mitchell report are virtually anonymous players who seem to stick around.  Few of them can be considered outstanding players but they have longevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my contentions through all of this is that steroids and HGH don&#8217;t help an athlete throw a ball, catch a ball or hit a ball any better.  Improvements in performance from steroids can be directly beneficial in strength sports, like football, but not in coordination sports, like baseball.  The benefit a baseball player gets from these drugs is the ability to avoid and come back from injury faster.  I think the Mitchell study is proving that contention.</p>
<p>Most of the names on the Mitchell report are virtually anonymous players who seem to stick around.  Few of them can be considered outstanding players but they have longevity.</p>
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